i would rather be in a great hospital like massachusetts general or ucla or cedar sinai or mayo if i have a tough illness. community hospitals are great, but you go to the university hospitals for the best care. and if they're being shut out, that by definition is going to lead to a decreased quality care and ultimately a two-tiered system of medical care. >> we've gotten the doctor's take, now the nurse's take. deborah, your thoughts on this. >> the nurses over the entire country have been concerned about this health insurance reform. and it's not obama care or the affordable care act that's limiting the choices. let's be clear, these are the insurance companies that were left in charge of health care and wrote health care reform. they're the ones limiting care and creating this bureaucracy to deny our patients care. >> okay. but with all due respect, today, what people really care about is care being denied. are their children not going to be able to get -- because the report is these major hospitals because of a law are not going -- they're not included. not in the network anymore